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yeah i think this falls into the category of "waffle" so should either be removed or not awarded shares... but unthinkingbit has the final say on the matter i suppose... or do all admins have the right to revoke articles... i don't want to be a fascist!!!

It seems inherently difficult to define what the word "constructive" entails, exactly. Are creative writings less constructive than more technical how-to's, and should their payout be reflected thusly? What if I write an article filled with misinformation; should I be penalized for doing so? Furthermore, who will be reading these thousands (perhaps millions, at this point) lines of text being generated each month and have the ultimate say in what a "constructive" piece is?


The payout system on devtome definitely needs to be looked at and I agree that there is quite a few relatively useless articles on the wiki these days...but we must be careful about how it is done! The results could be terrible.

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Hmm..

I don't know how much I like this 80,000 word diary, but my understanding of DevToMe and its potential value is that it is completely unfiltered and all-inclusive. I like that idea, and think that it will eventually make DevToMe a stronger wiki than any other, as it will encompass every type of writing, not just the educated and well-researched articles.

The best solution I can think of - reading what has been said about the coders deserving their share and those working on viable and good information in this thread - would be to reward writers on a tiered basis, similar to the Original and Collated payouts. Writing that has much added worth to the devcoin community should be categorized as such and rewarded at a higher level. Work that no one finds valuable should be rewarded very little.

This will require a lot of admin work, and I don't know if that would make sense, especially as DevToMe grows and there are too many submissions per day...

Perhaps a point system should be installed? The more 'likes' a page gets, the higher ranking it has and the more its writer will be rewarded.

Hmm..

I don't know how much I like this 80,000 word diary, but my understanding of DevToMe and its potential value is that it is completely unfiltered and all-inclusive. I like that idea, and think that it will eventually make DevToMe a stronger wiki than any other, as it will encompass every type of writing, not just the educated and well-researched articles.

The best solution I can think of - reading what has been said about the coders deserving their share and those working on viable and good information in this thread - would be to reward writers on a tiered basis, similar to the Original and Collated payouts. Writing that has much added worth to the devcoin community should be categorized as such and rewarded at a higher level. Work that no one finds valuable should be rewarded very little.

This will require a lot of admin work, and I don't know if that would make sense, especially as DevToMe grows and there are too many submissions per day...

Perhaps a point system should be installed? The more 'likes' a page gets, the higher ranking it has and the more its writer will be rewarded.

Good idea. But more nonsense wouldnt make devtome a stronger wiki since a wiki is supposed to be a place of information and resources. If nonsense was to be posted, the shares will be diluted and people will leave the devcoin scene depleting the devcoin currency.

Sorry, but that's plain naivety. If Devtome will be staunchly all-inclusive what would stop me from posting the entirety of my mail account for example? It would be something in the ballpark of 500,000 words, it would be completely and utterly useless to everybody and it would net me some nice cash. And once such a tactic succeeds it will cause an avalanche of more crap by more people and so on.

The project is in a critical growing phase right now and if it wants to attract development and real creativity and provide a tangible compensation for useful work, it has to be steered in the right direction. To that end some rules and filtering have to be established rather sooner than later or Devtome will go down as a spam bin for useless crap.

Rule of thumb: whatever can be abused, cheated or hacked will be abused, cheated and hacked eventually. It's merely a matter of time, but having money involved increases the incentive to game the system exponentially and we are already seeing the first signs of that.

I completely agree. What is it you suggest, then?

In the future, I would suggest you don't call strangers naive. You might not realize that I am on your team, and this thread you started is a brainstorm to fix this problem. We all have our own opinions; you may not agree with what I say, but I expect you to reply with something constructive and use spell check (naivete) if you want to throw your weight around, 'O Wise One'.

Back to your statement about uploading a mail account or diary, I think it's bullshit, too. Shouldn't be allowed for obvious reasons.

If all content on DevToMe is to be monitored by its admins, they aren't going to have enough time to read everything and make sure unless a)a word limit cap is introduced (notabot), or b) we think of a way to help the admins monitor the site. What about having a 'flag this article' button? There can be a protocol to have the admins take the article down If more than X users flag it.

You get what you pay for, and automation can not really check for this.

twobits is correct, I think automation isn't the answer. A stronger community with good intentions might be a step in the right direction, though.

This is really a test for the community, but we have to show strong ties so the entire community ends satisfied more or less with the outcome.
I am pretty sure something like this was destined to happen, we must respect each other so the argument can take a constructive path. 

This issue shows we need some more rules about what is acceptable and what is not. I would not state we could all agree about that, but as long as everything is resolved fairly (meaning the same rules apply to everybody), then we might not like a particular decision, but we will have to accept it.

I agree the community should be involved and vigilant about stuff in the site, but I do not think this is a matter of popularity, if it is things could get on the wrong track pretty easily.

I propose a system which relies on the community to spot unfit work, then a group or council of administrators judge the information, and finally the decision is held publicly with the devtome writer community to take a final decision. I know it looks burocratic, but I think it gives everybody chance to state their opinion, using tolerance and compromise to the site. The other issue about this approach is the exposure, I think the writer will be exposed anyway. A publicly held trial on the controversial pice of work could be the fairest way to make sure every side of the story is heard before having a conclusion. Another advantage from an open discussion about this is: the community stand is clear to anyone who cares about it, so undesired behaviour is avoided at source in future developments. 

Finally I will like to state, if the site gets the proper attention our careers will have a really nice push, and I am thinking in personal future here, we must not sell future just to get a quick coin. Beyond that, imagine, word gets out, devcoin pays for worthless development, the price for this coin is going to drop, because its value will be equally worthless. Personally, I have high expectations about the future of this coin, these will not be met, if we do not set some standard, and this is a great time to do it.